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		<title>By: Cassondra Mamer</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2012/02/why-is-occupy-oakland-so-crazy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-139771</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassondra Mamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really cool article, highly helpful and professionally written..Good Job]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really cool article, highly helpful and professionally written..Good Job</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cobb</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2012/02/why-is-occupy-oakland-so-crazy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-139121</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Konrad &amp; Charles - I hate to say it but I think discussions like these might be bigger than what we can accomplish in a comments section.
@ nz - I&#039;m thinking the best outcome for all of this is that people get talk to each other more and maybe find common ground.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Konrad &#038; Charles &#8211; I hate to say it but I think discussions like these might be bigger than what we can accomplish in a comments section.<br />
@ nz &#8211; I&#8217;m thinking the best outcome for all of this is that people get talk to each other more and maybe find common ground.</p>
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		<title>By: konrad</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2012/02/why-is-occupy-oakland-so-crazy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-139109</link>
		<dc:creator>konrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of crap: here&#039;s the performance artist (&lt;i&gt;ob art ref&lt;/i&gt;) Lenny Bruce at The Fillmore (SF), opening for The Mothers (7/25//66), his last concert. The whole bit is about the origins of the law, but here&#039;s the relevant quote:

&quot;Look. Here&#039;s our problem, see, we&#039;re trying to get some sleep and people keep throwing crap on us. Now we want somebody to throw them right in the craphouse. And I&#039;m delegated to do the hiring here, and, ah, here&#039;s what the job is.

&quot;You see, they won&#039;t go in the craphouse by themselves. And we all agreed on the rule, now, and we firmed it up, so there&#039;s nobody gets out of it, everybody&#039;s vulnerable, we&#039;re gonna throw them right in the craphouse.

&quot;But ya see, I can&#039;t do it cause I do business with these assholes, and it looks bad for me, you know, ah . . . so I want somebody to do it for me, you know? So I tell you what: Here&#039;s a stick and a gun and you do it -- but wait till I&#039;m out of the room. And, wherever it happens, see, I&#039;ll wait back here and I&#039;ll watch, you know, and you make sure you kick &#039;em in the ass and throw &#039;em in there.

&quot;Now you&#039;ll hear me say alotta times that it takes a certain kind of mentality to do that work, you know, and all that bullshit, you know, but you understand, it&#039;s all horseshit and you just kick em in the ass and make sure it&#039;s done.&quot;

So what happens? Now comes the riot, or the marches -- everybody&#039;s wailing, screaming. And you got a guy there, who&#039;s standing with a short-sleeved shirt on and a stick in his hand, and the people are yelling, &quot;Gestapo! Gestapo!&quot; at him:

&quot;Gestapo? You asshole, I&#039;m the mailman!&quot;

Full transcript posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=24181&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of crap: here&#8217;s the performance artist (<i>ob art ref</i>) Lenny Bruce at The Fillmore (SF), opening for The Mothers (7/25//66), his last concert. The whole bit is about the origins of the law, but here&#8217;s the relevant quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Look. Here&#8217;s our problem, see, we&#8217;re trying to get some sleep and people keep throwing crap on us. Now we want somebody to throw them right in the craphouse. And I&#8217;m delegated to do the hiring here, and, ah, here&#8217;s what the job is.</p>
<p>&#8220;You see, they won&#8217;t go in the craphouse by themselves. And we all agreed on the rule, now, and we firmed it up, so there&#8217;s nobody gets out of it, everybody&#8217;s vulnerable, we&#8217;re gonna throw them right in the craphouse.</p>
<p>&#8220;But ya see, I can&#8217;t do it cause I do business with these assholes, and it looks bad for me, you know, ah . . . so I want somebody to do it for me, you know? So I tell you what: Here&#8217;s a stick and a gun and you do it &#8212; but wait till I&#8217;m out of the room. And, wherever it happens, see, I&#8217;ll wait back here and I&#8217;ll watch, you know, and you make sure you kick &#8216;em in the ass and throw &#8216;em in there.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now you&#8217;ll hear me say alotta times that it takes a certain kind of mentality to do that work, you know, and all that bullshit, you know, but you understand, it&#8217;s all horseshit and you just kick em in the ass and make sure it&#8217;s done.&#8221;</p>
<p>So what happens? Now comes the riot, or the marches &#8212; everybody&#8217;s wailing, screaming. And you got a guy there, who&#8217;s standing with a short-sleeved shirt on and a stick in his hand, and the people are yelling, &#8220;Gestapo! Gestapo!&#8221; at him:</p>
<p>&#8220;Gestapo? You asshole, I&#8217;m the mailman!&#8221;</p>
<p>Full transcript posted <a href="http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=24181" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2012/02/why-is-occupy-oakland-so-crazy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-139108</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As others have said, there is no Black Bloc &#039;group&#039; - there are a collection of people of all stripes (and races and genders and and and) who in different contexts choose to use those tactics. I don&#039;t, but I also will defend such tactics and activists against the constant repetition of cliches and stereotypes right out of MSM reportage. Again, come meet us. These are NOT all &#039;middle-class white kids&#039;. The OO Tactical Action Group who organize the Fuck the Police actions was started by a bunch of young black kids from West Oakland. 
Ishmael Reed utterly embarrassed himself with that piece. No one here takes him seriously after publishing it. The &#039;outside agitators&#039; are the cops - 93% of OPD live outside of Oakland. There is no evidence that OO is a bunch of white kids from other cities (unless you mean Cal students - god forbid they should be active in a political movement off campus). Business around Oscar Grant Plaza was UP during the camps. The Oakland Chamber of Commerce is made up of the 1% - all but one member represent banks or chains. Reed mentions the school closures but neglects to mention that OO brought hundreds of people to the protest and helped put that issue on the map. (and since followed up with another huge march and action focused on the school closures, involving local teachers and students). 
And again, given what OO&#039;s accomplished - the first general strike in the US since 1946 (and organized in 5 days without organized labor), two port shutdowns, foreclosure defenses of minority homeowners, and numerous other peaceful actions, it seems that the impetus is on you to demonstrate how NV actions are tactically superior - beyond claims of moral superiority or the fact that some liberals freak out by a couple broken windows while the cops beat the shit out of us, and given that cities have organized with the DHS and FBI in coordinated attacks on camps all over the us, regardless of their stance on NV, where is the evidence that NV is a better tactic?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have said, there is no Black Bloc &#8216;group&#8217; &#8211; there are a collection of people of all stripes (and races and genders and and and) who in different contexts choose to use those tactics. I don&#8217;t, but I also will defend such tactics and activists against the constant repetition of cliches and stereotypes right out of MSM reportage. Again, come meet us. These are NOT all &#8216;middle-class white kids&#8217;. The OO Tactical Action Group who organize the Fuck the Police actions was started by a bunch of young black kids from West Oakland.<br />
Ishmael Reed utterly embarrassed himself with that piece. No one here takes him seriously after publishing it. The &#8216;outside agitators&#8217; are the cops &#8211; 93% of OPD live outside of Oakland. There is no evidence that OO is a bunch of white kids from other cities (unless you mean Cal students &#8211; god forbid they should be active in a political movement off campus). Business around Oscar Grant Plaza was UP during the camps. The Oakland Chamber of Commerce is made up of the 1% &#8211; all but one member represent banks or chains. Reed mentions the school closures but neglects to mention that OO brought hundreds of people to the protest and helped put that issue on the map. (and since followed up with another huge march and action focused on the school closures, involving local teachers and students).<br />
And again, given what OO&#8217;s accomplished &#8211; the first general strike in the US since 1946 (and organized in 5 days without organized labor), two port shutdowns, foreclosure defenses of minority homeowners, and numerous other peaceful actions, it seems that the impetus is on you to demonstrate how NV actions are tactically superior &#8211; beyond claims of moral superiority or the fact that some liberals freak out by a couple broken windows while the cops beat the shit out of us, and given that cities have organized with the DHS and FBI in coordinated attacks on camps all over the us, regardless of their stance on NV, where is the evidence that NV is a better tactic?</p>
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		<title>By: NZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clearly the OPD is out of control.  To put it mildly.  They&#039;ve been brutalizing low-income people and people of color in Oakland for decades.

And the answer to your question is simple.

Q: &quot;So maybe it’s worth asking: Why is Oakland so different? Why are these kids throwing things at police when they know they might end up in jail?&quot;

A: Because the Black Bloc are, for the most part, very comfortable middle- or upper-middle-class white boys who have enjoyed a truly staggering amount of social and financial privilege their entire lives.  And it is precisely that privilege that fuels their behavior -- as well as their thoughtlessness about how their behavior affects people who aren&#039;t as privileged as they are.  

Let&#039;s face it: they just don&#039;t much care that they&#039;re shitting where other people have to eat, and they don&#039;t much care if Occupy Oakland, or Oakland itself, goes down in flames.  If it does, they&#039;ve got generations of white privilege and financial cushioning that they can peel back into at the drop of a hat.  They may be slightly inconvenienced if things get unpleasant, but at the end of the day they&#039;re not going to sink.  And they know that quite well.

There&#039;s a reason you don&#039;t see low-income kids of color among the ranks of the Black Bloc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly the OPD is out of control.  To put it mildly.  They&#8217;ve been brutalizing low-income people and people of color in Oakland for decades.</p>
<p>And the answer to your question is simple.</p>
<p>Q: &#8220;So maybe it’s worth asking: Why is Oakland so different? Why are these kids throwing things at police when they know they might end up in jail?&#8221;</p>
<p>A: Because the Black Bloc are, for the most part, very comfortable middle- or upper-middle-class white boys who have enjoyed a truly staggering amount of social and financial privilege their entire lives.  And it is precisely that privilege that fuels their behavior &#8212; as well as their thoughtlessness about how their behavior affects people who aren&#8217;t as privileged as they are.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it: they just don&#8217;t much care that they&#8217;re shitting where other people have to eat, and they don&#8217;t much care if Occupy Oakland, or Oakland itself, goes down in flames.  If it does, they&#8217;ve got generations of white privilege and financial cushioning that they can peel back into at the drop of a hat.  They may be slightly inconvenienced if things get unpleasant, but at the end of the day they&#8217;re not going to sink.  And they know that quite well.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason you don&#8217;t see low-income kids of color among the ranks of the Black Bloc.</p>
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		<title>By: konrad</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2012/02/why-is-occupy-oakland-so-crazy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-139056</link>
		<dc:creator>konrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KPFA (Berkeley, CA) radio show &quot;Letters and Politics&quot; aired Feb 8th, 2012 in which &quot;Chris Hedges and Kristof Lopaur of Occupy Oakland debate black bloc, militancy and tactics.&quot;

 http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/77663]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KPFA (Berkeley, CA) radio show &#8220;Letters and Politics&#8221; aired Feb 8th, 2012 in which &#8220;Chris Hedges and Kristof Lopaur of Occupy Oakland debate black bloc, militancy and tactics.&#8221;</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/77663" rel="nofollow">http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/77663</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dravazed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dravazed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we can&#039;t agree on what &quot;good&quot; means--at least in the course of doing Occupy work and organizing--then we ought not to be doing this at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we can&#8217;t agree on what &#8220;good&#8221; means&#8211;at least in the course of doing Occupy work and organizing&#8211;then we ought not to be doing this at all.</p>
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		<title>By: chris cobb</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2012/02/why-is-occupy-oakland-so-crazy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-139052</link>
		<dc:creator>chris cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@joseph - maybe two terms we can agree on are &quot;cops&quot; and &quot;agent provocateurs.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joseph &#8211; maybe two terms we can agree on are &#8220;cops&#8221; and &#8220;agent provocateurs.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris, what Charles was saying was that the Black Bloc is not an organized group. I&#039;d also like to point out again that Occupy isn&#039;t, either.

All of this is extremely messy and dispersed, and that&#039;s what it needs to be to expand - and I think we need to keep in this in mind, and be wary of any terms we use that can constrict our understanding into something simplistic. This includes the words &quot;front lines&quot;, &quot;violence&quot; and even &quot;good&quot; in addition to &quot;group&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, what Charles was saying was that the Black Bloc is not an organized group. I&#8217;d also like to point out again that Occupy isn&#8217;t, either.</p>
<p>All of this is extremely messy and dispersed, and that&#8217;s what it needs to be to expand &#8211; and I think we need to keep in this in mind, and be wary of any terms we use that can constrict our understanding into something simplistic. This includes the words &#8220;front lines&#8221;, &#8220;violence&#8221; and even &#8220;good&#8221; in addition to &#8220;group&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: packard</title>
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		<dc:creator>packard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Black Bloc exists, but it is a tactic, not a movement or group. Many/most people who employ it are anarchists, but there are more varieties of anarchists out there than you can shake a stick at (swing a billy club at?) I personally am in favor of non-violent tactics and avoiding vandalism. I don&#039;t see the end game with an alternate strategy. That being said, I am leery of pointing the criticism inward and tearing the movement apart from the inside. We know who the real culprits of violence are. The police came out aggressively with extreme hostility on that Saturday. Perhaps one or two people threw a water bottle or a rock and gave the OPD to unleash hell. I got beat in the legs, while dispersing in a totally passive area of the march (my back to them, walking away, never any aggressive gesture or action toward them), blocks away from the stand-off in front of the museum (as did many others who were in the peaceful act of dispersing). The answer really is in your article. OPD. It is also worth considering the number of agent provocateurs who could be throwing bottles. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzOuD41hfnA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Bloc exists, but it is a tactic, not a movement or group. Many/most people who employ it are anarchists, but there are more varieties of anarchists out there than you can shake a stick at (swing a billy club at?) I personally am in favor of non-violent tactics and avoiding vandalism. I don&#8217;t see the end game with an alternate strategy. That being said, I am leery of pointing the criticism inward and tearing the movement apart from the inside. We know who the real culprits of violence are. The police came out aggressively with extreme hostility on that Saturday. Perhaps one or two people threw a water bottle or a rock and gave the OPD to unleash hell. I got beat in the legs, while dispersing in a totally passive area of the march (my back to them, walking away, never any aggressive gesture or action toward them), blocks away from the stand-off in front of the museum (as did many others who were in the peaceful act of dispersing). The answer really is in your article. OPD. It is also worth considering the number of agent provocateurs who could be throwing bottles.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzOuD41hfnA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzOuD41hfnA</a></p>
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