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		<title>By: uche James-Iroha</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2010/04/is-photography-over2/comment-page-1/#comment-75704</link>
		<dc:creator>uche James-Iroha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There will always be practitioners continually trying to contextualize life in two dimensional medium.Photography is the most willing of the mediums especially in contemporary Africa.The challenge however is that this is a totally alien medium where chemistry,film,camera and paper are imported.without knowing it African Photographers are continually looking for an indigenous authentication for photography.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will always be practitioners continually trying to contextualize life in two dimensional medium.Photography is the most willing of the mediums especially in contemporary Africa.The challenge however is that this is a totally alien medium where chemistry,film,camera and paper are imported.without knowing it African Photographers are continually looking for an indigenous authentication for photography.</p>
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		<title>By: Supreet</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2010/04/is-photography-over2/comment-page-1/#comment-57102</link>
		<dc:creator>Supreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The blog has been quite impressive. The aspects discussed like the very point whether the photography had got over, have been good as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog has been quite impressive. The aspects discussed like the very point whether the photography had got over, have been good as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Goldberg</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2010/04/is-photography-over2/comment-page-1/#comment-55993</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the responses to Is photography over I have found a reflex to group, question, and then advocate for certain photographies. 

The work of image tags, search terms, and how we are learning to find and retrieve through those new forms of captions, are completely dependent on the process of categorizing. While at the same time photography is in a state of complete un-grouping, where the original can be pasted into multiple contexts and completely shift in meaning. 
The Abu Ghraib photographs, in the effort to understand and think about their production and effects, were put on view in traditional art spaces at ICP and then traveling to the Andy Warhol Museum in the show Inconvenient Evidence in 2004/5.
 
This building of and collapsing of categories speaks to me as a sort of infinite loop of dialogue between text and image, a form of a caption emerging working tirelessly with no word count.

I’m interesting in how Photographs of “societies in transition” add to, overlap and challenge my own sprawling categories of photographies into witness, information, art intention, tool, memory, facts-in-identity-crisis, entertainment, evidence. 

Enwezor speaks of how photography suffered from myopia, from the oversimplification of subject as victim or as other that may halt anything other than passive viewing. This state for photography I think is being chipped away at, especially in the proliferation of camera ownership and camera usage, especially when the subject’s own arm wraps around to take their picture.

“The blighted history of photography” that Enwezor reminds us of is linked to what I believe is the underestimated power of photography in its recent explosion of versatility and visibility that digital has allowed. The ownership of singular photographs is spreading with its multiple opportunities for copy, web presence, and infiltration into the memory. The Internet is on the list of USA Today&#039;s New Seven Wonders and I would also put photography there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the responses to Is photography over I have found a reflex to group, question, and then advocate for certain photographies. </p>
<p>The work of image tags, search terms, and how we are learning to find and retrieve through those new forms of captions, are completely dependent on the process of categorizing. While at the same time photography is in a state of complete un-grouping, where the original can be pasted into multiple contexts and completely shift in meaning.<br />
The Abu Ghraib photographs, in the effort to understand and think about their production and effects, were put on view in traditional art spaces at ICP and then traveling to the Andy Warhol Museum in the show Inconvenient Evidence in 2004/5.</p>
<p>This building of and collapsing of categories speaks to me as a sort of infinite loop of dialogue between text and image, a form of a caption emerging working tirelessly with no word count.</p>
<p>I’m interesting in how Photographs of “societies in transition” add to, overlap and challenge my own sprawling categories of photographies into witness, information, art intention, tool, memory, facts-in-identity-crisis, entertainment, evidence. </p>
<p>Enwezor speaks of how photography suffered from myopia, from the oversimplification of subject as victim or as other that may halt anything other than passive viewing. This state for photography I think is being chipped away at, especially in the proliferation of camera ownership and camera usage, especially when the subject’s own arm wraps around to take their picture.</p>
<p>“The blighted history of photography” that Enwezor reminds us of is linked to what I believe is the underestimated power of photography in its recent explosion of versatility and visibility that digital has allowed. The ownership of singular photographs is spreading with its multiple opportunities for copy, web presence, and infiltration into the memory. The Internet is on the list of USA Today&#8217;s New Seven Wonders and I would also put photography there.</p>
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		<title>By: John Rapko</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2010/04/is-photography-over2/comment-page-1/#comment-55891</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rapko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I am fully cognizant that we need to be reminded of the oft-repeated (if erroneous) statement that the anthropological logic that subtended its mode of looking at the other, namely the absence of coevalness between the instrument and the subject generated another order of proximity (coevality) to counteract the distance of black and white documentary realism (anti coevality), this can also be summed up as opacity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am fully cognizant that we need to be reminded of the oft-repeated (if erroneous) statement that the anthropological logic that subtended its mode of looking at the other, namely the absence of coevalness between the instrument and the subject generated another order of proximity (coevality) to counteract the distance of black and white documentary realism (anti coevality), this can also be summed up as opacity.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2010/04/is-photography-over2/comment-page-1/#comment-55702</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there a different way of making photo images today ? sure people word articulate to a difference  but 
essentially its a box that you look through to compose an image. The image circle is cropped to a rectangle  and  many in the art world are tied to using a tripod - one reason is technical - bigger images require a precise technique which places further limitations on developments in methods of making an image using a camera based technology. Hence you see the same type of image making. I have seen different methods but almost all  are even more limiting to a realistic way at articulation - they end up being almost a  gimmick.


There are also limitations in peoples minds - that an photographic image has to be made in a certain way - the camera has to go to the eye, you stand still, compose and take the image. 
  


If your dealing with human suffering being brought to the fore, then please give it to me any way you can so long as its technically good it will not be dehumanizing by black and white film grain or poor contrast. The issue there for me is  - is anyone listening or prepared to do anything ? ie Rwanda. The terrible reality of suffering bleaches out nuanced issues of photography articulations. Grey scale is different because we see in colour - In a bit more detail - it may be described as dehumanizing if  you have what might be described as bad technique and use a 400 ASA film pushed to 1600 ASA and all the problems of  printing through an enlarger that photo-shop has now removed. The black and while images of that time are about a technique of black and white photography of the time. It is seen everywhere not just in Africa.


And I think you definitely need to discuss the problems for young photographers coming out of art/photo courses and how they can make any head way when they are faced with pay for review and pay to enter competitions.  Frankly we have a situation whereby photographers/artists are marketing targets whether for information or &#039;administration fee&#039;s&#039;.  Or just bare faced - if you want to show your work to important people in this world you have to pay and what that does to incentive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a different way of making photo images today ? sure people word articulate to a difference  but<br />
essentially its a box that you look through to compose an image. The image circle is cropped to a rectangle  and  many in the art world are tied to using a tripod &#8211; one reason is technical &#8211; bigger images require a precise technique which places further limitations on developments in methods of making an image using a camera based technology. Hence you see the same type of image making. I have seen different methods but almost all  are even more limiting to a realistic way at articulation &#8211; they end up being almost a  gimmick.</p>
<p>There are also limitations in peoples minds &#8211; that an photographic image has to be made in a certain way &#8211; the camera has to go to the eye, you stand still, compose and take the image. </p>
<p>If your dealing with human suffering being brought to the fore, then please give it to me any way you can so long as its technically good it will not be dehumanizing by black and white film grain or poor contrast. The issue there for me is  &#8211; is anyone listening or prepared to do anything ? ie Rwanda. The terrible reality of suffering bleaches out nuanced issues of photography articulations. Grey scale is different because we see in colour &#8211; In a bit more detail &#8211; it may be described as dehumanizing if  you have what might be described as bad technique and use a 400 ASA film pushed to 1600 ASA and all the problems of  printing through an enlarger that photo-shop has now removed. The black and while images of that time are about a technique of black and white photography of the time. It is seen everywhere not just in Africa.</p>
<p>And I think you definitely need to discuss the problems for young photographers coming out of art/photo courses and how they can make any head way when they are faced with pay for review and pay to enter competitions.  Frankly we have a situation whereby photographers/artists are marketing targets whether for information or &#8216;administration fee&#8217;s&#8217;.  Or just bare faced &#8211; if you want to show your work to important people in this world you have to pay and what that does to incentive.</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Maverick</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2010/04/is-photography-over2/comment-page-1/#comment-55613</link>
		<dc:creator>Vance Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Point taken, Suzanne. I would be interested to read comments from people who are conversant with the terminology. And I would be interested to read abstracts -- if you have any -- from participants who answer Yes to the title question of the panel discussion.

Thanks, Corey; striking that the real first date is so much earlier than the legendary one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken, Suzanne. I would be interested to read comments from people who are conversant with the terminology. And I would be interested to read abstracts &#8212; if you have any &#8212; from participants who answer Yes to the title question of the panel discussion.</p>
<p>Thanks, Corey; striking that the real first date is so much earlier than the legendary one.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the curious: the first show of color photography at MoMA was of Eliot Porter&#039;s work in 1943.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the curious: the first show of color photography at MoMA was of Eliot Porter&#8217;s work in 1943.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2010/04/is-photography-over2/comment-page-1/#comment-55609</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Vance,
I appreciate  your ongoing attention to Open Space. I&#039;d like to point out that Open Space works to include a lot of different kinds of writing and speech, and that not every post is going to be of direct interest to every reader. The Is Photography Over series is an extension of a somewhat more academic (perhaps) panel discussion that will be taking place in a couple of weeks. Rather than keeping all of those texts behind glass, so to speak, we&#039;re including some of them on the blog, as a way of inviting people into the conversation, if or as they feel comfortable doing that. I take your point that this particular text isn&#039;t written for the broadest possible audience, however that&#039;s not its job.   One of the great things about Open Space, in my opinion, is that it doesn&#039;t make assumptions about the range of experience of its readers. And now back to the discussion at hand, if we can---]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vance,<br />
I appreciate  your ongoing attention to Open Space. I&#8217;d like to point out that Open Space works to include a lot of different kinds of writing and speech, and that not every post is going to be of direct interest to every reader. The Is Photography Over series is an extension of a somewhat more academic (perhaps) panel discussion that will be taking place in a couple of weeks. Rather than keeping all of those texts behind glass, so to speak, we&#8217;re including some of them on the blog, as a way of inviting people into the conversation, if or as they feel comfortable doing that. I take your point that this particular text isn&#8217;t written for the broadest possible audience, however that&#8217;s not its job.   One of the great things about Open Space, in my opinion, is that it doesn&#8217;t make assumptions about the range of experience of its readers. And now back to the discussion at hand, if we can&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Maverick</title>
		<link>http://blog.sfmoma.org/2010/04/is-photography-over2/comment-page-1/#comment-55597</link>
		<dc:creator>Vance Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting to learn Eggleston wasn&#039;t the pioneer. A brief web search suggests that the first exhibit of color photography at MoMA was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ernst-haas.com/exhibitions.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ernst Haas&lt;/a&gt;, in 1962. Maybe there&#039;s something else further back? (I wonder if, for example, Laura Gilpin showed an autochrome.)

I like these photos. As in a lot of effective color photography, you can see they work visually by marshalling their color into bands. I&#039;m afraid the text is pretty opaque, though -- language like &quot;subtended its mode&quot; will exclude most readers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to learn Eggleston wasn&#8217;t the pioneer. A brief web search suggests that the first exhibit of color photography at MoMA was <a href="http://www.ernst-haas.com/exhibitions.html" rel="nofollow">Ernst Haas</a>, in 1962. Maybe there&#8217;s something else further back? (I wonder if, for example, Laura Gilpin showed an autochrome.)</p>
<p>I like these photos. As in a lot of effective color photography, you can see they work visually by marshalling their color into bands. I&#8217;m afraid the text is pretty opaque, though &#8212; language like &#8220;subtended its mode&#8221; will exclude most readers.</p>
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